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Lanny · 09-10-2015, 06:07 PM

Hi, curious if anyone can help with info identifying this Holley 2br carb,
as far as what engine it may have been useds on ?

The list number on the Holley tag is 5883

The model number is 852 FFG

Bore size is 1 3/8 inches and 4 bolt flange

Also, what is that attached to the throttle shaft ?

Please click on pics to enlarge,

& thx for any help

petehoovie · 09-10-2015, 06:14 PM

I don't know what it was used on but I want it. I'll pay for the shipping. I think that it's an automatic choke attached to the throttle shaft. Looks like it could have been used on a military vehicle....

texas webb · 09-10-2015, 06:19 PM

Mercury had a 4 bolt intake.

Lanny · 09-10-2015, 06:30 PM

This holley has a 4 bolt rectangular flange on the bottom
and a 4 bolt square flange on the top for air filter mounting.

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Fordors · 09-10-2015, 07:07 PM

Hard to tell from the photos but I think that might be a governor on a commercial vehicle, welder or generator carb.

1952henry · 09-10-2015, 07:42 PM

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GMC REO IHC, for starters, used holleys like these on online sixes. Some had clamp on air cleaners and some had a flange like pictured. Doesn't appear to have a governor, though. Might have had a governor under the base. Hard to imagine a two ton or larger truck with no governor.

scicala · 09-10-2015, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1952henry

GMC REO IHC, for starters, used holleys like these on online sixes. Some had clamp on air cleaners and some had a flange like pictured. Doesn't appear to have a governor, though. Might have had a governor under the base. Hard to imagine a two ton or larger truck with no governor.

If you look at a couple of the pictures you can see where someone cut off the large round diaphragm housing off of the side cover. I was a governor carb until that happened.

Sal

big job · 09-10-2015, 09:50 PM

Shure looks the same as a R-190 IH I had..........

Mark's 37 · 09-10-2015, 10:16 PM

I wonder if this could be a precursor to the Holley "Bug Sprayer" 94 with the 4 bolt base that came out during the VW bug performance trend in the 60's.

Lanny · 09-10-2015, 11:30 PM

I don't know what this Holley was originally for, but we got it off an
old 4 1/8 stroker flathead that raced the local circle tracks here
back in the 1960's era.

Thanks for the replies, anyone else have anything to add,,,thx

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51 MERC-CT · 09-11-2015, 12:13 AM

Looks like it may have origially been for a military application that had a 'snorkel' bolted to the top for use in high water situations.

Lanny · 09-11-2015, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scicala

If you look at a couple of the pictures you can see where someone cut off the large round diaphragm housing off of the side cover. I was a governor carb until that happened.

Sal

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Sal, looking close at the carb, I can see one place that looks like it has
been altered.
Is it the rectangular hole in this picture, where the round diaphragm would
have been cut off from, as I can see very tiny saw marks there..... thx

Click on pic to Enlarge.

scicala · 09-11-2015, 04:32 PM

"Sal, looking close at the carb, I can see one place that looks like it has
been altered.
Is it the rectangular hole in this picture, where the round diaphragm would
have been cut off from, as I can see very tiny saw marks there..... thx"

My guess would be that someone realized this carb flowed more air than other 94 type carbs and disabled the governor to use on the stroked flathead race car.

Based on the Holley list number that was stated, it was made for a vehicle in the 70's, or that number wasn't really the part number.

Sal

Sal

Lanny · 09-11-2015, 08:22 PM

The list number is sorta hard to read, so I could be wrong on a couple numbers...thx

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Bruce Lancaster · 09-14-2015, 01:24 PM

Definitely a truck carb derived from the 94 lineage. Whem the Danbury stock car track last ran flatheads requiring stock appearance, I was told all the carbs were 94 types (though larger than .94!) from some IHC application. The extrea flow was of course in the venturi area, and none wer run looking like that...they had all been built using normal car tops and bottoms, I'm guessing the 1956 type throttle bodies. Could no look, of course, that sort of thing is top secret!
I found one of the stock IHC ones at Hershey...I did not buy it, but noted that the center casting bore "29" markings ('43 Ford-Merc), so I assume Holley was recyling old outer mold parts and presumably using different inner forms for bigger venturis. I shoulda bought the thing just to find out.
I have an Army Holley manual showing several versions of carbs like that from various trucks.

09-10-2015, 06:14 PM	#2
petehoovie Senior Member Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 8,536	Re: Help identifi an odd Holley 2 brl carb I don't know what it was used on but I want it. I'll pay for the shipping. I think that it's an automatic choke attached to the throttle shaft. Looks like it could have been used on a military vehicle.... __________________ The only thing nice about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.... *"Silver rings, your butt! Them's washers!"* "We shot our way out of that town for a dollar's worth of steel holes!" - from 'The Wild Bunch' - 1969 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NReUd2_0u0

09-10-2015, 06:19 PM	#3
texas webb Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: San Antonio Texas Posts: 636	Re: Help identifi an odd Holley 2 brl carb Mercury had a 4 bolt intake.

09-10-2015, 06:30 PM	#4
Lanny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mn Posts: 2,421	Re: Help identifi an odd Holley 2 brl carb This holley has a 4 bolt rectangular flange on the bottom and a 4 bolt square flange on the top for air filter mounting. . __________________ If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. But if daddy ain't happy...RUN What I GOT DONE TODAY... I put my rear-end in the recliner, and now I'm going to rest up & watch TV.

09-10-2015, 07:07 PM	#5
Fordors Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orland Park,IL Posts: 1,402	Re: Help identifi an odd Holley 2 brl carb Hard to tell from the photos but I think that might be a governor on a commercial vehicle, welder or generator carb. __________________ My school colors are black and blue, I attended the School of Hard Knocks where I received a Masters Degree in Chronic Mopery.

09-10-2015, 07:42 PM	#6
1952henry Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: North Dakota Posts: 1,624	Re: Help identifi an odd Holley 2 brl carb Sponsored Links (Register now to hide all advertisements) GMC REO IHC, for starters, used holleys like these on online sixes. Some had clamp on air cleaners and some had a flange like pictured. Doesn't appear to have a governor, though. Might have had a governor under the base. Hard to imagine a two ton or larger truck with no governor. __________________ I dig coal, which provides motivation for EVs.

09-10-2015, 09:50 PM	#8
big job Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Dighton, Mass Posts: 1,231	Re: Help identifi an odd Holley 2 brl carb Shure looks the same as a R-190 IH I had..........

09-10-2015, 10:16 PM	#9
Mark's 37 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Aptos, Ca Posts: 355	Re: Help identifi an odd Holley 2 brl carb I wonder if this could be a precursor to the Holley "Bug Sprayer" 94 with the 4 bolt base that came out during the VW bug performance trend in the 60's.

09-10-2015, 11:30 PM	#10
Lanny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mn Posts: 2,421	Re: Help identifi an odd Holley 2 brl carb I don't know what this Holley was originally for, but we got it off an old 4 1/8 stroker flathead that raced the local circle tracks here back in the 1960's era. Thanks for the replies, anyone else have anything to add,,,thx . __________________ If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. But if daddy ain't happy...RUN What I GOT DONE TODAY... I put my rear-end in the recliner, and now I'm going to rest up & watch TV.

09-11-2015, 12:13 AM	#11
51 MERC-CT Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: East Hartford, Ct Posts: 5,898	Re: Help identifi an odd Holley 2 brl carb Looks like it may have origially been for a military application that had a 'snorkel' bolted to the top for use in high water situations. __________________ DON'T RECALL DOING SOMETHING FOR MYSELF BASED ON SOMEONE ELSE'S LIKES OR DISLIKES

09-11-2015, 04:32 PM	#13
scicala Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Detroit suburb, MI Posts: 3,714	Re: Help identify an odd Holley 2 brl carb "Sal, looking close at the carb, I can see one place that looks like it has been altered. Is it the rectangular hole in this picture, where the round diaphragm would have been cut off from, as I can see very tiny saw marks there..... thx" My guess would be that someone realized this carb flowed more air than other 94 type carbs and disabled the governor to use on the stroked flathead race car. Based on the Holley list number that was stated, it was made for a vehicle in the 70's, or that number wasn't really the part number. Sal Sal

09-11-2015, 08:22 PM	#14
Lanny Senior Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mn Posts: 2,421	Re: Help identify an odd Holley 2 brl carb The list number is sorta hard to read, so I could be wrong on a couple numbers...thx . __________________ If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. But if daddy ain't happy...RUN What I GOT DONE TODAY... I put my rear-end in the recliner, and now I'm going to rest up & watch TV.

09-14-2015, 01:24 PM	#15
Bruce Lancaster Member Emeritus Join Date: May 2010 Location: Madison, NJ Posts: 5,230	Re: Help identify an odd Holley 2 brl carb Definitely a truck carb derived from the 94 lineage. Whem the Danbury stock car track last ran flatheads requiring stock appearance, I was told all the carbs were 94 types (though larger than .94!) from some IHC application. The extrea flow was of course in the venturi area, and none wer run looking like that...they had all been built using normal car tops and bottoms, I'm guessing the 1956 type throttle bodies. Could no look, of course, that sort of thing is top secret! I found one of the stock IHC ones at Hershey...I did not buy it, but noted that the center casting bore "29" markings ('43 Ford-Merc), so I assume Holley was recyling old outer mold parts and presumably using different inner forms for bigger venturis. I shoulda bought the thing just to find out. I have an Army Holley manual showing several versions of carbs like that from various trucks.