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Russ · 01-29-2017, 02:01 AM

Steve,

I've been collecting data on 60-A's, B's, & C's off-and-on for about 13 years now and I've wondered about this question myself. According to p.80 of The Ford Model A as Henry Built It (DeAngelis, Francis, Henry), the 60-A was produced in both 1928 & 1929.

The goal of my project is to establish the production quantities and dates for the 60-A, -B, & -C by cross referencing the serial numbers on the Briggs body tags with the original firewall date and engine/frame number.

Unfortunately, the 60-A's and B's shared the same prefix of 190 on the Briggs body tag, so it's hard to tell when they switched from the A to the B. Furthermore, the Briggs serial numbers are continuous throughout A & B production (they did not go back to zero with the start of the 60-B). I would like to know if there is a definitive way to physically tell an A from a B other than the top material color, which cannot typically be relied upon since it can be changed so easily over the life of a car. The 60-C, on the other hand, had the unique Briggs body number prefix of "195" for which the serialization started again from zero.

The earliest A in my database is 190-22, with a firewall date of 5/10/1928. The latest A in my database has a firewall date of 12/8/1928 and a frame/engine number dating to 12/11/28. Unfortunately, the Briggs tag was missing on this car, but another late 60-A with a firewall date of 11/16/28 has a Briggs body number of 190-68853.

The earliest 60-B in my database is 190-99775 with a firewall date of 1/4/1929 (it's possible this could actually be a 60-A). The latest 60-B I have on record is 190-151957 with a firewall date of 4/8/1929.

The earliest 60-C in my database is 195-812 with a firewall date of 2/12/1929. The latest 60-C in my database is 195-17608 with a firewall date of 7/17/1929. This shows that production of the 60-B and 60-C did overlap.

Along the way, I have also stumbled upon a few 170-A's. These cars used a prefix of "197". The earliest car has a firewall date of 8/7/29 (no other numbers) and the latest has a Briggs body number of 197-6337 with a frame/engine number dating to 10/10/1929. It seems less likely that production of the 60-C and 170-A overlapped.

The above data provides pretty good brackets on the dates and quantities, but I would like to gather a lot more data, especially on these cars. There are still a lot of them out there that can fill in some of the blanks.

01-29-2017, 02:01 AM	#2
Russ Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Illinois Posts: 52	Re: The 60-A, B, C Fordor Sedans Steve, I've been collecting data on 60-A's, B's, & C's off-and-on for about 13 years now and I've wondered about this question myself. According to p.80 of The Ford Model A as Henry Built It (DeAngelis, Francis, Henry), the 60-A was produced in both 1928 & 1929. The goal of my project is to establish the production quantities and dates for the 60-A, -B, & -C by cross referencing the serial numbers on the Briggs body tags with the original firewall date and engine/frame number. Unfortunately, the 60-A's and B's shared the same prefix of 190 on the Briggs body tag, so it's hard to tell when they switched from the A to the B. Furthermore, the Briggs serial numbers are continuous throughout A & B production (they did not go back to zero with the start of the 60-B). I would like to know if there is a definitive way to physically tell an A from a B other than the top material color, which cannot typically be relied upon since it can be changed so easily over the life of a car. The 60-C, on the other hand, had the unique Briggs body number prefix of "195" for which the serialization started again from zero. The earliest A in my database is 190-22, with a firewall date of 5/10/1928. The latest A in my database has a firewall date of 12/8/1928 and a frame/engine number dating to 12/11/28. Unfortunately, the Briggs tag was missing on this car, but another late 60-A with a firewall date of 11/16/28 has a Briggs body number of 190-68853. The earliest 60-B in my database is 190-99775 with a firewall date of 1/4/1929 (it's possible this could actually be a 60-A). The latest 60-B I have on record is 190-151957 with a firewall date of 4/8/1929. The earliest 60-C in my database is 195-812 with a firewall date of 2/12/1929. The latest 60-C in my database is 195-17608 with a firewall date of 7/17/1929. This shows that production of the 60-B and 60-C did overlap. Along the way, I have also stumbled upon a few 170-A's. These cars used a prefix of "197". The earliest car has a firewall date of 8/7/29 (no other numbers) and the latest has a Briggs body number of 197-6337 with a frame/engine number dating to 10/10/1929. It seems less likely that production of the 60-C and 170-A overlapped. The above data provides pretty good brackets on the dates and quantities, but I would like to gather a lot more data, especially on these cars. There are still a lot of them out there that can fill in some of the blanks.