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Bill U. Like i posted it all depends on WHO. Yes Doug did slow down with his HIP REPLACEMENT [ almost a year ago] things change and sometimes you can't keep a good man down... Doug does have about 6 to 8 shells done in Drivers to SHOW. from $650. to $850. and one other thing i was with Doug about a month ago at his house and speak to him at least 3 times a week so i know what he is doing and for WHO. Doug got very annoyed when someone told him about ROADSTER / PHAETONS Stanchion and how HE[DOUG] was wrong about the bottom cups.... Doug all these years restoring this item from UN-RESTORED state for countless cars including my 3,, KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT ! He does not want to hear it from a restoration shop owner who probable never tried to restore one. Funny how they always found their way to Doug.