color codes from lacquer to concept paint
 

I went to the local paint store today to buy some concept single paint in dynamic maroon. Looking on line i see the code 50041 but no translation from lacquer to the PPG concept paint. Does anyone have the right formula code?

Thanks, Chuck

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It has to be made by transferring the tints and toners to the current product line. In order to make this happen quickly and easily go to www.autocolorlibrary.com , find the color, order a qt in the type you want. Take that to your paint store and have them match it. Concept is tough to make it look like the old stuff and might require some dedicated interest by your supplier. Toners (the transparent mixing colors) will give a cleaner look. Also paint it over a dark base. Good luck...

Re: color codes from lacquer to concept paint
 

For what it's worth we (the body shop I'm working with and I) have been trying
to crossmatch an original Dupont Vineyard Green lacquer color with PPG Concept and, so far, have not been able to come up with an exact match. One
of my fenders that has been wet sanded and buffed has been sent several times to a Concept paint supplier in Mass. to try and come up with the correct
shade and it's still not quite there. I started off buying a pint of PPG Vineyard
Green lacquer from another local supplier and it was no where near the same shade. So, be patient as it is not as an exact science as you might think.

Peter

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Ahh, for the good old days when you could just go to the local Dupont or Ditzler dealer and pick up a pint or quart of paint right off the shelf ready mixed.
And they matched.

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Still another thing I have observed during my matching process. The agent
talking to my body shop man asked if this was to be a repair or overall
repaint and was told the latter. For that reason if I had it to do over again I
would have told the agent it was to be a repair as I think the attitude of the
person doing the mixing was "oh well close enough seeing as how everything
is being repainted".

Peter

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Accuracy of color is more subjective than many give credit for. Brown eyes can't see what blue eyes see in some shades. Maroons of any name or make are tough. It takes a dedicated mixer to get it right. Is it simple? It is to me, but I'm blue-eyed, left-handed, been working with paints for 43 years. "WTF does left-handed have to do with it!?" you may ask. Left handed folk can be measurably more artistic and demanding. It's a love/hate relationship dealing with color, quality, art work, etc. How close to "Volante Coach Maroon" is this color? PPG has a mix for that, but it's wrong. I had my guy replace 1/2 of the solid tint with transparent toner and send it over. Did a spray out of each and both over a black base (more to that than you think). "My" version matched the chip dead-on-balls, but even better, outdoors on a bright day it didn't get a muted all-one-color look. It highlighted the body lines vs making them blend into a dead color. You can use this info or not, but I have quite a success rate over all these years and it didn't come easy. Want another? I used "Shop-Line" from PPG. Was it any good? Look close and you tell me...

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r...ssypics021.jpg

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Thanks for you tips. I have applied red epoxy primer to the bare metal and have one gallon of black filler primer. While at the PPG store they told me to bring something in to match and when I got home I noticed that the inside of the cowl vent still has the original color on it and I just may have to use that. I have also heard that later Fords had a very close match but I'm not sure of the years. Does anyone?

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The problem with the old color formulas is almost insurmountable today. Even the mixing colors used for the formulas are no longer produced so a person has no idea if the shade is correct with the building blocks to make the color you want. The old color chips fade and they aren't large enough to get a good match anyway.

In theory, you only need black, white, red, yellow, and blue (primary colors and shading colors) to make any color of the rainbow but anyone who has played with oil paints knows that it ain't s easy as it sounds. Having at least a post card size color example will help someone that mixes by eye but that doesn't account for fading or deterioration. It gets as close as a person can get though. The computer driven light readers for color still don't do as well as the well trained human eye. If a person can find something close with a new modern chip set, they can use that and at least have a formula to go by for reproduction. If not, you will always have to have it color matched. Wait 10 or 20 years and the paints we use now will also be obsolete so that is only good for a while at best.

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HIGHLANDER, I beg your indulgence, but I don't understand what your photo
is trying to convey in relation to what you said. (But, then again, I am right handed.)
What did I miss?

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x2......! DD

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I think its the reflection he is trying to impress in the photo.

I'm right handed too but I had to learn how to write with my left hand after a fall off a windmill when I was a kid. Does that count? I can still write with either and I can still shoot a spray gun with either at least until I get so old that the shakes get me.

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That's a picture of a door.







Ok, sometimes I leave it at that for even more "WTF"s, but it's the right door of a Lincoln Continental. The picture was to show the depth of the color and the reflective quality gained by using transparent toners over dark bases. It really does make a big difference.

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Chuck ,
Go here, enter the year, etc and see what comes up

http://paintref.com/paintref/index.shtml

Re: color codes from lacquer to concept paint
 

Thanks John but it's the same code 50041 which won't work.

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Will the cross referenced Dupont paint codes give you a lead??

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I think he meant to post a different pic. if you click on the pic it takes you to his photobucket then click 3 pics to the left and is a pic of a car door.

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Actually gearhead, that's exactly the pic I wanted to show. That's the door of the car and me shooting it. It's not a trick, it's level surfacing and transparent toners/tints that creates the depth. Old lacquer had depth too, it was just easier to get.