Water leaking around oil pan bolt on 59A
 

Why is this water leaking around this oil pan bolt and how can I stop it?

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I just had to remove the oil pan to remove the fly wheel to get it resurfaced. Put it back on and now this water is coming out from under the bolt head. How can I seal it?

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This one has me baffled there is absolutely no water in that area. Are you sure the water hasn't been spilt or leaked from somewhere above there and ran down and puddled around the bolt head? The water jacket doesn't come that far back around the bellhousing.

Mart.

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I agree. It's probably leaking from a head stud or maybe the head gasket.

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I wish you all were right. I had just removed the radiator hose on the head on that side and put it back on and thought maybe it was coming out of there and running down so I just wiped everything off and started the engine and watched it seep up around that bolt head.

Definitely a mystery.

I guess I'll put some Permatex on the bolt threads and replace it and see if that stops it. Hope so. I'll let you know.

If anyone else had any ideas please share them.

Thanks for your help.

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As said before, there is no water in the bellhousing casting. If it's coming from there, you probably have a REALLY cracked block. It would need to migrate all the way along that bottom surface of the block and seep up the bolt threads. Many other places for it to seep out as well. Can you see leakage coming out the bottom bellhousing hole, the one with the big cotter pin? Any water in the oil?

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Henry, you sure have a lot of problems.
Like the others have said, no way is the water coming from the pan bolt.
Head gasket, head stud, or heater hose.

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You have such a close up picture that I am not sure what I am looking at. Is this a front or rear of the pan?

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At the rear, just above the part of the pan that takes the starter. That's the transmission casing on the left. That's the bolt that was holding the pan on when it was initially being removed.

Mart.

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Like here?
Hope it's not because of the grade 8 bolt:)

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Yeah, that's it. (except that one isn't even there!). You can see how water can't get there without being spilt or leaking from somewhere above and running into it.

Mart.

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Subscribed!! I have got to see how this one plays out. We need you on the road. I miss the pictures of your travels.
Walter

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Assuming the leak is not real slooow, why don't you remove that bolt (to slightly disrupt flow path), clean the area well by spray can, and just lie there with a good flashlight to observe what transpires?

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I tried repeating my test (wiped everything off and ran the engine again) and no water came out. Didn't change anything. So, hopefully, false alarm. Time will tell. I'll watch closely under the car (I've replaced the floor) for the next few days for any water.

Sorry to bother everyone.

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What are you saying about the grade 8 bolt?

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We will be doing an overnight road trip Friday to City of Rocks National Reserve in southern Idaho. http://www.nps.gov/ciro/index.htm

http://www.nps.gov/ciro/naturescienc...IMG_7246_1.jpg

(This will be my 4th attempt. Hope we make it.)

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Just in jest, I doubt that Old Henry ever had a bolt of that quality
in that spot when it was new. :)

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That's what Old Henry gets when I lose a bolt (like I do way too much) and rush down to Ace hardware and grab the closest thing to what I lost. He's probably got a lot of "overkill connectors".

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Could it not be the frost plugs in the pan rail seeping,running back through the gasket and the flywheel spinning it out there? My 40 deluxe had a similar problem.

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Frost plugs down there were not used after 1940 or thereabouts, so not an issue here.

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Not familiar at all with a '48, but is the heater control valve right above there? Or the heater connections?

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Ah yes. A drip from above, not a seep from within.

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Everyone from the 3rd post on has said that.

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Ahem. 2nd post, first reply. ;)

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You are right. I was picturing your first reply as meaning it came from above on the engine (hence my post after your's about leaky studs and gaskets). But now the idea that it dripped from the heater hoses seems even more probable to me. Sorry to not grasp your concept on the first go-round.

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Water (and oil) loves to travel before it gathers enough to drip. You'd be surprised how far from the source a drip can emerge, even defying gravity. An don't forget how hard it is to dry off antifreeze spills. I use my air gun to blow it dry or at least blow it away.

Look at the wetness along the mating surfaces in the picture. It came from elsewhere.

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I may be old, but I can still recall the wetness along the mating surfaces.....

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Mystery solved. Leak found. (Ross F-1 was right on.)

I was still getting water on the floor under that oil pan bolt. So, I removed the floor and that platform above the starter was loaded with water/anti-freeze.

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But, it didn't seem to have come from that oil pan bolt as I had originally supposed. So, I wiped and blew everything off and started the engine and watched. In no time the water was accumulating there again but did not seem to be coming from that bolt. But, I could see an itsy bitsy trickle coming down the bell housing. So, up to the engine compartment I went searching again on the intake manifold for any leakage from the radiator hose I just replaced. Nothing. Then I saw this drip.

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Coming from the end of the heater hose clamp bolt. In fact, you can see that the hose is almost pulled off of the heater pipe. That will have to be shoved back on, the clamp tightened, and we should be good to go for the road trip tomorrow..

Thanks for all of your help. It was, indeed, something from above. I just had to find it.

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Cool shot catching the drip like that.

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While you're there you can get a bit of grease on that throttle ball and oil the throttle pedal pivot. Preventative maintenance is the key.

It looks like the hose could do with being a bit longer, hard to tell from the photo.

Glad you found the source of the drip.

Mart.

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The hose was actually drooping under the throttle rod when it should have been going straight above it effectively shortening it. That's why it was pulling off, plus the poorly designed original stock style hose clamps that, once the two ends of the clamp are screwed clear together, there is no more tightening and that one was all the way tight but not tight enough. I straightened the hose to run above the throttle rod which pushed it onto the heater pipe as it was and put modern spiral screw clamps on and so far it's holding the pressurized water fine.

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Can't see the firewall hole in the picture, but it should be the same diameter as the heater hose. The correct installation has the hose going through the firewall with the clamp on the outside. This is per Ford specification due to vibration caused abrasion on the heater pipe, as well as the very thing that caused your leak.

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I have the fresh air heater with the coil right against the firewall so the hose can't go through the firewall. Maybe into it a bit but not through it. It may well be a better approach for the next time I take it apart.

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Where's your chatter rod for the right side?

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No chatter rods on my '47 sedan. After Ford realized that they did little if anything to reduce clutch chatter they discontinued them some time prior to '47.

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Glad you found the source of your problem, professor. Now if I could be as lucky with finding out what is causing my backfire problem.

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"Into it a bit"?
Your insulation on the inside of the firewall is half an inch thick. That's all you need.

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maybe I missed a post with an update, but how is the clutch chatter and the vibration?

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Where did you get your information on this? Ford never identified the rods as "anti-chatter" but as engine radius rods.Their purpose was to keep the engine from moving forward and allowing the fan blade to chew into the radiator. With the same rear axle and torque tube design through 1948 I imagine the need was still there and it was the area Ford engineers found they could "economize" on like the steering /ignition switch coincedental lock.Still had thieves but it was on the list to cut cost.

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I can't verify the accuracy of the info, but the post below by columbiA (taken from a search in the archives) shows 11A-6044s continuing to be used on Canadian-built RHD cars thru '47 & '48 production, FWIW. DD

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https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: Motor Stay Rods (anti-chatter rods)
Anti-chatter rods 11A 6044 is used on 41-42 pass cars & 46-48 RHD cars.The 46 48 LHD cars did not use them.-From Ford of Canada 28-49 fast moving parts catalog.