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rivcokid 08-27-2021 05:52 PM

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Anyone seen one of these for sale of late? I'd love to have one or two, but none of the vendors seem to have them

Does anyone have any extras they'd be willing to sell?

Gary WA 08-27-2021 06:07 PM

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Like this? Not for sale tho! Paid $$$ for it years ago on ebay. But if you want to just see your spark you can make one by cutting away sides of a cap !

rivcokid 08-27-2021 06:10 PM

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Yes, like that. But I don't want to cut away a cap.

Thanks

mercman from oz 08-27-2021 06:23 PM

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https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1630105632

https://www.fordbarn.com/forum/attac...p;d=1630105632
Gary's Clear Distributor Cap - notice that has the FORD Script?

chrs1961815 08-27-2021 06:56 PM

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They were an older reproduction. Haven't been made in a while.

noboD 08-27-2021 07:03 PM

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But would be easy to do.

Keith True 08-27-2021 07:57 PM

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I have some,but they've turned yellow and opaque.The cutaway one really works better anyway.If you cut one down,get a new one and cut it.The old ones tend to shatter when you try to cut them.

marc silva 08-27-2021 09:46 PM

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Why would you need a clear distributor cap? Just curious

lrf 08-27-2021 11:33 PM

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I have a clear cap bought many years ago, also have a cut cap. It's a real kick to watch those sparks fly at night.

chrs1961815 08-28-2021 04:26 AM

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The clear cap or cutaway cap are really just for curiosity, nothing diagnostic can really be done with them. I guess you could see if the distributor body had a short in it though.

Jacksonlll 08-28-2021 05:12 AM

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Don't bother. They don't last very long.

Merc Cruzer 08-28-2021 08:43 AM

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Bet they could be made in a 3D printer

chrs1961815 08-28-2021 09:21 AM

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Bet they could be made in a 3D printer

Probably - they are making some pretty cool things these days with them. You would need to do the carbon contact and the brass part on the inside your self though.

Oldgearz 08-28-2021 09:52 AM

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These folks are amazing. I never would have thought to cut a cap like this to see inside a running car. This is an A+++ shade-tree idea. Thanks.

Ruth 08-28-2021 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by lrf (Post 2050464)
I have a clear cap bought many years ago, also have a cut cap. It's a real kick to watch those sparks fly at night.


The kids really enjoy seeing the sparks!! Good for checking for carbon tracking in the distributor body also.

BRENT in 10-uh-C 08-28-2021 10:12 AM

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These folks are amazing. I never would have thought to cut a cap like this to see inside a running car. This is an A+++ shade-tree idea. Thanks.

Man, I remember seeing on of those cut down around 1970 on a Model-A Texas Tour on a Coupe owned by Jake Westmoreland. He and his brother Pete were some fantastic mechanics.

The thing that made me remember this was he could make his Coupe start on compression. In other words, just turn the key and without pressing the starter switch the ignition spark would start the engine igniting the fuel on top of the TDC piston.

I was too naïve to understand all about it then but in retrospect some 40-50 years later, I am guessing he had a multiple spark discharge box hidden up behind the firewall which allowed him to get those "free-starts". That is probably why he had the distributor cap cut like that so he could show off the multiple sparks onto the distributor body terminals. Very little today on a Model-A that is 'new' news, ...as many good mechanics have thought-up most of this in years past.

FWIW, back 50 years ago at a Model-A event (tour, club meeting, swap meet, etc.) the amount of great craftsmen that would sit down together and share information makes Fordbarn seem pale by comparison. Most all of us today would love to be a part of one of those 'meetings' back then.

rivcokid 08-29-2021 08:19 PM

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I thought of the 3D printer idea but most people familiar with 3D printers say the piece would not hold up and probably wouldn't work anyway.

Clem Clement 08-29-2021 09:39 PM

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I have several clear caps NOS. Great fun both at night and for education.
clem

noboD 08-29-2021 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by rivcokid (Post 2051058)
I thought of the 3D printer idea but most people familiar with 3D printers say the piece would not hold up and probably wouldn't work anyway.

Picture gluing a clear thread together over and over. That is what 3D printing would look like. The solution type of 3D printer might work. But who's going to program it? To make a few it would be easy to make a mold and cast it.

Russ/40 08-30-2021 12:00 PM

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A few years ago, "Mikes" made a run of them and sold them as a special. Maybe he still has a few.

Werner 08-30-2021 03:14 PM

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Russ,


please tell me who is /where I can found "Mikes".

Thanks in advance!

Bob C 08-30-2021 07:37 PM

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https://www.mikes-afordable.com/

Gene F 08-30-2021 07:50 PM

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When I was a kid, I had a 1972 MonteCarlo. Those were all the rage. Then I talked with a guy at work about 40 yrs old. Gary was quite knowledgable about cars, and used parts. He told me "don't get one. they draw dampness for some reason, and your car eventually will not start". Sure it's cool, but only put it on for show. Reliability. I asked around, and heard the same story from other people.

aermotor 08-31-2021 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gene F (Post 2051389)
When I was a kid, I had a 1972 MonteCarlo. Those were all the rage. Then I talked with a guy at work about 40 yrs old. Gary was quite knowledgable about cars, and used parts. He told me "don't get one. they draw dampness for some reason, and your car eventually will not start". Sure it's cool, but only put it on for show. Reliability. I asked around, and heard the same story from other people.

I am not sure you are talking about the clear or cut away, at any rate I think both are cool and could be trouble shooting assistance. When it comes to dampness it doesn't matter as they can be changed back in 15 seconds. A new solid cap is less than $5.00 - I'm going to cut one away for the heck of it and have fun.

Thanks, John

Tom Wesenberg 08-31-2021 08:30 AM

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I agree with John, and about 20 years ago I made my own clear cap by using a piece of thick Plexiglass. It makes a good diagnostic tool.

Merc Cruzer 08-31-2021 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by noboD (Post 2051090)
Picture gluing a clear thread together over and over. That is what 3D printing would look like. The solution type of 3D printer might work. But who's going to program it? To make a few it would be easy to make a mold and cast it.

All you need to do is scan an original.

Keith True 08-31-2021 10:48 AM

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I remember those clear distributer caps for modern cars,well they were modern in the late 60's when I saw them.They also sold red-clear plug wires.When the car was running the plug wires looked like modern LED light strings.I had a 59 Valiant in the early 90's that still had them on it.Fun to watch at night.

Clem Clement 08-31-2021 11:03 AM

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I have some for sale. $10 bucks plus postage.

Werner 08-31-2021 02:13 PM

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Hi Clem,

i would like to have one piece please. If possible with "Ford"-script. Do you sell/ship to Germany? I would like to pay via PayPal please.


@ Bob, thank you for explanation.

Werner 08-31-2021 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by chrs1961815 (Post 2050487)
The clear cap or cutaway cap are really just for curiosity, nothing diagnostic can really be done with them. I guess you could see if the distributor body had a short in it though.

Well, you can use it to diagnose when the capacitor starts to go bad.

alexiskai 08-31-2021 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by chrs1961815 (Post 2050487)
The clear cap or cutaway cap are really just for curiosity, nothing diagnostic can really be done with them. I guess you could see if the distributor body had a short in it though.

Nu-Rex supplies a cutaway cap with their timing kit and recommends using a timing light strobe to observe the rotor action:
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Focusing the timing light on the kit distributor cap permits observation of the rotor, cam, points, and electromechanical operation under running conditions. This kit can identify arcing at advance and retard positions. The rotor brass contact positions and arcing can be seen at retard, intermediate, and full advance positions. There should be no rotor contact with the distributor contacts; motion to each side at the extremes of retard and advance should be equal. Cam wobble and point motion can also be observed for uniformity of action. Internal arcing to ground or adjacent distributor contacts can also now be observed.
I have one but I haven't had time to set it up yet to see how useful it is.

Werner 09-10-2021 02:54 PM

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Good evening at all.


Unfortunately, I couldn't find anyone who sells a transparent manifold cover. Creating a file for 3-D part printing is too expansiv. So I now tried to cast it by myself from epoxy resin.

I made the mold from two-component silicone rubber for third dentures from the original lid.

Unfortunately, the first attempt did not work. I had filled too less casting resin, too less vent holes on the upside mold and used an unsuitable wax for separation.

No. # 2 has been cast in the mean time and must now cure in the mold. I will report.

alexiskai 09-10-2021 03:00 PM

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I admire this kind of commitment.

Werner 09-11-2021 03:29 PM

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I admire this kind of commitment.

Danke für Dein Lob! -




The second attempt is successful, not very good but good; there are still some tiny air bubbles visible.

The next step is to insert an electric current carbon inside with some stepped brass sleeves.

I will report back.

Werner 09-14-2021 04:45 AM

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Good morning!


In the meantime, my clear distributor cap is largely finished.

Patiently, the current lead through had to be tricky. From 4 short brass tubes I soldered the gradation for the sliding carbon contact and the ignition cable.
Sensitive was the filing of the central contact carbon alienated from a 'Walton' horn in a small square and round pin.

This is more watchmaker work than for a long stroke cast iron engine mechanic!

Ivan in southeast va. 09-14-2021 03:20 PM

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I admire your persistent determination! Now, can you make a hundred of them and sell them for 5 dollars? Just kidding, great work!

TomInCologne 09-15-2021 01:37 AM

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Creating a file for 3-D part printing is too expansiv.
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May i ask you why you said this? Creating the 3D-files is free of charge?

Werner 09-20-2021 03:50 PM

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Hi',


in the meantime, I have tested the transparent cover several times. Great disappointment was that the spark jumps are very mild and barely visible.
Joy was to recognize by it, that the condenser and the plugs resistors are in order.

On a trial basis, I increased the electrode gap considerably on one spark plug and this could be seen well on the distributor contact.

In short: The glass cover is not a toy, because with a little experience quite suitable for engine diagnosis.



Cologne; don't understand your shortquestion.

katy 09-21-2021 11:21 AM

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I'm wondering, why the tie wire on the distributor body terminals?

aermotor 09-21-2021 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Werner (Post 2058497)
Hi',


in the meantime, I have tested the transparent cover several times. Great disappointment was that the spark jumps are very mild and barely visible.
Joy was to recognize by it, that the condenser and the plugs resistors are in order.

I have a cut away side cover and was also disappointed in spark size - much more obvious at night.

John


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